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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Cornish Links Sam 1 Mar - 11:21 | |
| Cornwall 24: http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/An independent Cornish news and community website. Come a long and join the forum. Practice your English and Cornish. Maga the Cornish Language Partnership: http://www.magakernow.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=39262 Mebyon Kernow: http://www.mebyonkernow.org/Left of centre, green, decentralist civic Cornish nationalist party. A member of the European Free Alliance along with the SNP and Plied (I am a member). The Mebyon Kernow party leaders blog: http://mebyonkernow.blogspot.com/ The Cornish Stannary Parliament: http://www.cornishstannaryparliament.co.uk/The Cornish civil rights activists. The Cornish Constitutional Convention: http://www.cornishassembly.org/The Cornish Constitutional Convention was formed in November 2000 with the objective of establishing a devolved Assembly for Cornwall (Senedh Kernow). The Convention is a cross-party, cross-sector association with a strong consensus of support both in Cornwall and elsewhere. It is not campaigning for any form of separatism or independence.The aim of the Convention is to establish a form of modern governance which strengthens Cornwall, her role in the affairs of the country, and positively addresses the problems that have arisen from more than a century of growing isolation and loss of confidence. CornishnotEnglish.com: http://www.cornishnotenglish.com/A Cornish campaigning platform. Tyr Gwyr Gweryn (land truth people): http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/A journey into the Cornish paradox of identity and constitution. This is NOT England: http://thisisnotengland.co.uk/blog/A blog and active debate forum on issues of Cornish autonomy. Cornish Bureau of European Relations (CoBUR): http://geocities.com/coberltd/Speaks for itself really. |
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tugdu Résistant

Nombre de messages: 453 Localisation: bzh Date d'inscription: 27/02/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Lun 3 Mar - 9:01 | |
| what pourcentage of cornish people are livin in cornwall ? there are many english people in Cornwall ? |
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Aiatshimunanu Résistant

Nombre de messages: 312 Localisation: Québec Date d'inscription: 20/12/2007
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 4 Mar - 9:15 | |
| Away from me the mean of insulting anybody, but I thought Cornwall had no official status such as Cymru. So it is part of England, so the proportion of English prople in Cornwall should be near 100%... But I think your question was more about cultural heritage, right? On the way to find an answer, on Wikipedia it is mentionned that about 100 people can speak fluent (revived) Cornish. |
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tugdu Résistant

Nombre de messages: 453 Localisation: bzh Date d'inscription: 27/02/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 4 Mar - 9:25 | |
| i meant what percentage of local people(folks) are still living in cornwall, beacause i have read there were lot of english people of OTHER counties, and lot of people of London was come to live in cornwall. |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 4 Mar - 12:00 | |
| I get the feeling that both of you have some preconceptions about my nation that are rather disrespectful. Why don't you say what you want to say about Cornwall and be honest? If you want to set yourselves up as judge and jury over my nation than that reflects more on your bad character rather than the state of my nation. As for who is 'true Cornish' and who is 'true English' I really don't care that much because I am not an ethnic nationalist. What does interest me is that in Cornwall among the population is a sense of civic Cornish national identity mixed in with a very strong local patriotism. If someone has parents or DNA from London, Russia, Jamaica or Brittany I really don't care as long as they are proud to be Cornish and proud of Cornish culture. As for the status of Cornwall and the Cornish being English. My status is citizen of the United Kingdom, neither England, Wales, Cornwall or Scotland have their own passports. If you or the UK central government wish to try and tell me that I am British or English or anything else for that matter that's your problem not mine. I am Cornish, that is the way I was raised by my family and community and that is all that counts. Oll an gwella |
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Ghjuvà Admin

Nombre de messages: 6980 Localisation: Corsica Date d'inscription: 17/11/2004
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 4 Mar - 12:42 | |
| | Citation: | Away from me the mean of insulting anybody, but I thought Cornwall had no official status such as Cymru. So it is part of England, so the proportion of English prople in Cornwall should be near 100%...
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Avec ce raisonnement alors il y a 100% de français dans nos pays! |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 4 Mar - 12:56 | |
| | Ghjuvà a écrit: | | Citation: | Away from me the mean of insulting anybody, but I thought Cornwall had no official status such as Cymru. So it is part of England, so the proportion of English prople in Cornwall should be near 100%...
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Avec ce raisonnement alors il y a 100% de français dans nos pays! |
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Aiatshimunanu Résistant

Nombre de messages: 312 Localisation: Québec Date d'inscription: 20/12/2007
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tugdu Résistant

Nombre de messages: 453 Localisation: bzh Date d'inscription: 27/02/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mer 5 Mar - 11:44 | |
| hopala my english is so bad that there are a lot of incomprehension. i read that in corsica there are 50% of inhabitants are true corse people , others are "continentaux" .... i read too that in cornwall that were a lot of people of other regions who settled , like in presquile de rhys in brittany for example. i read too that this fact caused problemes for cornish identity. mais bon apparemment jarrive pas a me faire comprendre !!! |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mer 5 Mar - 13:14 | |
| The PLASC ethnic data from the 2007 Cornish schools survey showed that 27% of children consider themselves to be Cornish rather than British or English. The results from the 2001 UK population census show over 37,000 people hold a Cornish identity instead of English or British. On this census, to claim to be Cornish, you had to deny being British, by crossing out the British option and then write ‘Cornish’ in the “other” box. This does not represent a mere clerical error or poorly thought through wording. This represents a denial of the right of the Cornish to describe themselves in terms of their identity. It might seem trite to complain about something that happened six years ago, but the 2001 census will remain relevant until the next one (in 2011). How many more people would have described themselves as Cornish if they did not have to deny being British or if there had been a Cornish tick box? How many people knew that writing 'Cornish' in the “other” box was an option? (This was extremely poorly publicised). How many ticked British but feel themselves to be Cornish British? Over the last few years various Cornish groups and individuals have been campaigning for the Cornish to be recognised for protection under the Council of Europe’s framework convention for the protection of national minorities. Such recognition would be a powerful tool to ensure correct treatment and protection of the Cornish national minority and its culture. The Commission for Racial Equality in its shadow report on the FCPNM produced on the 30th of March this year advised the government that the treaty could be extended to protect Cornish culture and also raised concerns about the lack of legal equality for minorities in the UK. Recently the Council of Europe has also suggested that the FCPNM could be extended to include the Cornish. Over the last 3 centuries Cornwall has gone from being on the leading edge of the industrial revolution to being one of the poorest regions of Europe receiving objective one funding from the EU as a result. In the October 2001 Business Age Magazine Kevin Cahill, an author and investigative journalist for the Sunday Times, wrote about the economy of Cornwall. In the Killing of Cornwall, he notes that the London Treasury extracts £1.95 billion in taxes out of Cornwall's GDP of £3.6 billion. The Treasury returns less than £1.65 billion, so there is a net loss to Cornwall of 300 million pounds, where the total earnings figure is 24% below the national average, is this some form of negative Barnet Formula? Low wages, unskilled Mac Jobs, poverty, social problems, and rocketing housing prices are the often hidden face of the optimistically named “English” Rivera. Coupled with this we have seen the centralisation of services, institutions and government (followed by the skilled jobs they entail) out of the Duchy much to the benefit of various undemocratic and faceless ‘South West of England’ quangos. Cornwall Council's Feb 2003 MORI Poll showed 55% in favour of a democratically-elected, fully-devolved regional assembly for Cornwall, (this was an increase from 46% in favour in a 2002 poll). In 2000 The Cornish Constitutional Convention launched a campaign that resulted in a petition signed by 50,000 people calling for a fully devolved Cornish assembly. The campaign generated support from across the political spectrum in Cornwall and to date has been the largest expression of popular support for devolution in the whole of the United Kingdom. This officially sanctioned silence on the existence of a Cornish identity must stop. Why will the government not ask the Office of National Statistics to include a Cornish tick box on the 2011 census? The 'Life in the United Kingdom' handbook, required reading for all who wish to immigrate to the UK, quotes the census heavily when describing the regions and ethnic diversity of the UK. Why are the Cornish not mentioned once? Why has UK government so far blocked all attempts at ensuring the Cornish are recognised under the FCPNM and ignored the advice of the CRE and COE? Why has the government failed to give the people of Cornwall the democratic referendum on greater autonomy and a devolved assembly that they have shown a demand for? In fact whenever Cornish campaigners have asked about the above decisions, even using the Freedom of information act, the government has dragged its feet, ignored requests and even refused to release information, why?! |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Sam 15 Mar - 12:29 | |
| | tugdu a écrit: | hopala my english is so bad that there are a lot of incomprehension.
i read that in corsica there are 50% of inhabitants are true corse people , others are "continentaux" ....
i read too that in cornwall that were a lot of people of other regions who settled , like in presquile de rhys in brittany for example.
i read too that this fact caused problemes for cornish identity.
mais bon apparemment jarrive pas a me faire comprendre !!! |
I'm sorry if I was hostile and you are correct in-migration plus out-migration have changed Cornwall. However our large diaspora in Australia, South Africa, the USA, Mexico, New Zealand etc is today one of our strong points.
Today we talk about Cornish trans-nationalism
I was hostile because the points you made are the same ones often used by our enemies. |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Jeu 22 Mai - 18:28 | |
| How to make a country disappear: http://duchyofcornwall.eu/Well I don’t have the exact formula but if you study this website from the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association you’ll be able to see exactly the constitutional loops the establishment and Duchy authority have jumped through to turn Cornwall, an extraterritorial crown possession legally separate from England, into a supposed English county. This site explains how a British territorial possession became someone’s private estate. It makes great and fairly easy reading and should be studied by all those interested in the UK constitution. |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Jeu 29 Mai - 8:36 | |
| You can listen to the person behind the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association, John Angarrack, in interview on BBC radio Cornwall talking about his new book here: http://www.myspace.com/thecornwellian |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Dim 1 Juin - 10:38 | |
| If you want to find out more then try the books on the Cornish question by John Angarrack: http://johnangarrack.co.uk/ |
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omsav73 Membre confirmé


Nombre de messages: 87 Localisation: Pariz Date d'inscription: 26/01/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Cornish Links Mar 3 Juin - 15:45 | |
| In the 19th century a dispute blew up between the Crown (UK government) and the Duchy of Cornwall (Cornish government) over the foreshore of Cornwall. At this time Cornwall was producing tin and a lot of the foreshore had mine shafts under it so you can imagine that a fair bit of money was at stake. The dispute went to arbitration as there was no court in the land deemed high enough. The Duchy won and did so by effectively proving that all of Cornwall was the Duchy and that this was exterior to the crown i.e. Cornwall was outside England legally. The Duchy provided reams of documents to support its case and even made mention of the territorial waters of Cornwall as a threat in case the Crown did not capitulate. One key passage from the Duchies case is as follows: | Citation: | That Cornwall, like Wales, was at the time of the Conquest, and was subsequently treated in many respects as distinct from England.
That it was held by the Earls of Cornwall with the rights and prerogative of a County Palatine, as far as regarded the Seignory or territorial dominion.
That the Dukes of Cornwall have from the creation of the Duchy enjoyed the rights and prerogatives of a County Palatine, as far as regarded seignory or territorial dominion, and that to a great extent by Earls.
That when the Earldom was augmented into a Duchy, the circumstances attending to it's creation, as well as the language of the Duchy Charter, not only support and confirm natural presumption, that the new and higher title was to be accompanied with at least as great dignity, power, and prerogative as the Earls enjoyed, but also afforded evidence that the Duchy was to be invested with still more extensive rights and privileges.
The Duchy Charters have always been construed and treated, not merely by the Courts of Judicature, but also by the Legislature of the Country, as having vested in the Dukes of Cornwall the whole territorial interest and dominion of the Crown in and over the entire County of Cornwall. |
All of the above is explored in much greater detail on John Angarracks website as well as:
The Cornish Stannary Parliament: http://www.cornishstannaryparliament.co.uk/
Tyr Gwyr Gweryn: http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/ |
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