Et les autres alors?

maharbbal

En passant sur le net il m'a semblé que le Devon, Wessex et Northumberland avaient aussi des ambitons autonomistes, que;qu'un sait ce qu'il en est?

omsav73

Devonshire? You must be joking.

Are they Celtic nations with there own sense of national identity?

Regional devolution is fine if thats what they want but that doesn't make them nations.

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Houarn

Ca doit être plus proche du poujadisme que de la libération nationale.

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maharbbal

I was just asking. I have no idea whereas they are Celtic or not but surely non-Celtic people are entitled to freedom, ain't they?

I guess they are at the margins of the country so they kind of feel out-casted. I mean it is precisely because I didn't know that I was asking.

omsav73

maharbbal a écrit:

I was just asking. I have no idea whereas they are Celtic or not but surely non-Celtic people are entitled to freedom, ain't they?

I guess they are at the margins of the country so they kind of feel out-casted. I mean it is precisely because I didn't know that I was asking.

No I understand thats cool and of course you are right, if communtities want more autonomy then they should have it.

In the areas once covered by the old Anglo-Saxon and Mercian kingdoms there are small movements for greater home rule however they are not nationalists and do not think in terms of a Wessex nation.

Wessex Regionalists: http://www.regionalist.net/

Mercian Regionalists: http://www.independentmercia.org/

Both these movements are regrouped in England Devolve: http://www.devolve.org/

They are also staunch allies of the Cornish movement.

Yorkshire also has a very strong regional identity but sadly no organised autonomist movement at the moment.

I could draw a comparison with the Normandy autonomist movement for all of the above. Currently these above groups are rather quiet and English nationalism, which sees regional autonomy as a threat to the integrity of England, is on the rise.

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Celtic Devon ( Laughing

) is a different story.

Within Devonshire there is a micro-minority (about 5 people) who promote a celtic identity for Devon, they also happen to sell the newly invented Devon flag and Devon flag T-shirts etc (what a suprise)

They are not at all autonomists but rather spend their time trying to prove that Cornwall and Devon are the same, and that Cornwall should not be treated any differently than Devon.

The would prefer to see Kernow along with Devon blended into the Southwest region. If anything they are British nationalists who wish to undermine Cornish calls for autonomy.

Similar perhaps to activists in Loire Atlantic and Pay de Loire who campaign claiming that their identity is Loireish rather than Breton.

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maharbbal

I see, thanks. I hope one day the Essex boys will create their own nationalist parti (so they'll need a visa to come to London)

omsav73

maharbbal a écrit:

I see, thanks. I hope one day the Essex boys will create their own nationalist parti (so they'll need a visa to come to London)

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omsav73

Kernow entre le marteau et l'enclume.

On one side we have UK regionalists who want to cut England (including Cornwall) up into equally sized regions and devolve power to them. This would be done irrespective of traditional boundaries and local identities. Cornwall would be included inside the artificial South West government zone and would have no special recognition.

See this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BlankMap-EnglandRegions.png

On the other side we have English nationalists, often from the right or far right, who are hostile to the artificial regions but also sadly very hostile towards Cornish nationalism as they consider Cornwall part of England.

See this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_England_within_the_United_Kingdom.png

Then finally to get some idea of Cornwall position have a look at this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:England_and_Cornwall.png

There is an alternative regionalist movement as mentioned above and this link takes you to a different view of regionalism that respects Cornwall: http://earthquakecove.blogspot.com/2007/10/stupid-english-regions.html

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